Breaking Down the Alex Pretti Shooting – With Casey Chadwell of Concealed Tactics

Joshua (02:46.648)
All right. So welcome to the podcast. This is episode two and we have Casey Chadwell from Concealed Tactics. We're going to be talking about the Alex Preti killing in Minnesota and some of the aspects surrounding that. So Casey, why don't you go ahead and start out.

Casey Chadwell (03:05.896)
man, where do you want to start?

Casey Chadwell (03:12.462)
So I guess I'll start with introducing myself. Casey Chadwell, I live in Kentucky. I have a firearm training business. Conceal Tactics here, do law enforcement and civilian training. Mainly handguns do. I've been dabbling the last probably year and a half in rifle. Problem with rifle is not a lot of people want to learn that.

and I get it. I mean, you want to train with what you what you're going to be having on your person the most. And that's going to be 90 % of the time, it's going to a handgun very rarely. You be out walking around with a rifle. So I know I had posted some things on Facebook and you had reached out, wanted to do an interview. And so here we are.

Joshua (03:59.874)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (04:05.473)
You know, I had done the original post because some things that Trump had said, some things that Cash Patel had said. Trump had said, if you're carrying a firearm out on the street with two loaded magazines, you're a criminal. Only criminals do that. then Cash Patel, yeah, yeah. And Cash Patel said,

Joshua (04:26.008)
which we know is not the case.

Casey Chadwell (04:32.877)
I don't forgot what Cash Patel said now. He said, you're not allowed to take a firearm and two loaded magazines to anywhere you want. And that's blatantly false. So I'd made a kind of a sly little comment for post on Facebook, got a lot of traction. So basically, from what I could tell from the shooting, I think it'll be justified. I think it'll be.

Joshua (04:59.597)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (05:02.783)
investigated and it'll be found justified only because

Find it unjustified in a law enforcement shooting. There's gotta be a lot to happen. I don't think it was murder. I don't think they went out there with the intention of shooting somebody today. I don't think they went out there with the intention of this Alex Preti. I think a lot of mistakes were made on both sides and it led to somebody's death, which is always gonna be tragic.

Joshua (05:23.894)
Right, right.

Joshua (05:33.484)
Yeah.

Joshua (05:38.422)
Right. Yeah, yeah, there was a lot, you know, in that type of situation, of course, there's a lot of things going on and, know, and you're reacting like it's easy. We were talking before, like, it's easy for us to go back and reanalyze everything, right? And like in that moment, yeah, yeah, it's a lot different for a real live situation.

Casey Chadwell (05:51.883)
Yeah, yeah, super easy. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (05:57.966)
Yeah, you know, law enforcement officers, they don't have the luxury of being able to go back and watch slow-mo video and from eight or nine or 10 different angles as we've seen in this particular shooting. Like I said, don't think that Border Patrol, I don't think ICE went out that day saying, we're gonna kill somebody. I think there a lot of mistakes made. Again, on both sides, had, you know...

Joshua (06:06.188)
Yeah.

Right.

Joshua (06:18.071)
Right.

Joshua (06:21.815)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (06:23.297)
Border Patrol agents, made some mistakes. had Mr. Pretty, he definitely made some mistakes. So I guess really kind of walk through what we've seen on the video was Border Patrol pushed a young lady or an old, I'm not how old she was. was a female, pretty aggressively, which is a...

I don't really think, I mean, I don't know what was being said or what was happening at that particular moment to get her pushed like that, but it seemed a little aggressive to me in the video again. know, Sunday morning quarterback in this thing. It's pretty easy for me to say that. It looked like Pretty tried to get in between Border Patrol and that lady. He ended up getting sprayed with pepper spray with mace.

Joshua (07:16.45)
Right.

Casey Chadwell (07:18.349)
Not a, it's not a good feeling. People are saying that the video shows that Pretti had hit the officer, the border patrol officer. I didn't see that, but again, you know, I could be missing a video here or there that I haven't seen from a certain angle. So I don't want to say he didn't. If he did, I don't think it was on purpose. I think he was trying to just block his face from getting hit with mace. You know, you touch the law enforcement officer, it don't take much for it to be considered assault.

Joshua (07:33.282)
Yeah.

Joshua (07:41.933)
Yeah.

Joshua (07:47.158)
Right, right, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (07:47.618)
So, you know, from, from there, they were able to go hands on, seven guys had him down on the ground, trying to get him to flatten out, get him restrained. it looked to me like pretty, it didn't look like he was really, obviously he was resisting. mean, that was, that was pretty evident. What wasn't evident was him really trying to fight back. It looked more like he was just kind of stiffening up and,

Joshua (07:58.54)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (08:14.721)
you know, resistant being arrested. didn't look like he was fighting with them. You know, at some point he had a firearm tucked into the small of his back and it looked like an inside the waistband holster on his right side. Terrible place to carry a firearm by the way. Yeah, well, I mean, well not only that, but you know, if that wasn't border patrol that was on top of him.

Joshua (08:18.466)
Right.

Joshua (08:32.181)
Especially in this weather. Slip and fall is bad.

Joshua (08:43.97)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (08:44.149)
and he needed to get to his firearm, it'd be awfully difficult for him to get to his firearm. So, know, small to back carry. I don't really think that's a very good idea, but that's me. So at some point somebody seen the firearm, they probably yelled gun again. That's something that we haven't heard from the video. We haven't seen that. I'm sure one of the border patrol agents, you know, yelled gun.

Joshua (08:47.328)
Yeah. Yep.

Joshua (09:04.503)
Right.

Casey Chadwell (09:13.773)
He was down on all fours. At one point there was a Border Patrol officer that really teeing off on his head. I mean, he was really punching pretty good there. know, four or five good licks from what I've Didn't flatten him out. It looked like an officer come in, wearing a gray shirt, I believe, a gray jacket, a gray hoodie, something like that. He reached over. He was on pretty his left side. He reached over, grabbed a firearm, unholstered it, turned around, walked off. Some people are saying the firearm.

Joshua (09:21.463)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (09:44.204)
went off, it didn't look like his finger was on the trigger. It was a SIG 320. They've been, allegedly they go off sometimes from when their trigger isn't pulled, even holstered. I didn't see any evidence of that. I mean, it does look like in a couple of pictures that the slide might be back like it was in the middle of cycling, but there's so much AI out there, even with this case. I think there was somebody on the,

Joshua (09:56.332)
Yeah.

Joshua (10:10.945)
Right.

Casey Chadwell (10:13.687)
floor of Congress, it took a blown up photo and one of the border patrol agents didn't have a head because it had been altered with AI. And he took it in as evidence, which is just terrible. You know, I never seen a firearm, you know, again, from all the videos, there's a lot of AI out there. So it's kind of hard to say for sure. It looked like he had a phone, never looked like he had anything else in his hand. I never seen him reaching for the firearm before he was shot.

Joshua (10:20.824)
Right here.

Joshua (10:25.441)
Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (10:33.73)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (10:42.421)
One of border patrol agents looked like he had maneuvered around, which that's pretty sound. I mean, you don't want to shoot your buddy. That'd make a pretty long career or a pretty short one. You want to shoot your buddies. You don't want to do that. He maneuvered around, which was good. I don't think it was.

Joshua (10:45.975)
Yeah.

Joshua (10:53.282)
Yeah. He shortened it. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (11:05.829)
the best job of maneuvering that he could have made. There was a lady that was in front of Mr. Treddy. I mean, she could have been hit. Luckily she wasn't. It did look like, I did see some early photos where it looked like some splash was coming up after the first shot was fired. So I say it was a clean through and through hit pavement, threw debris out.

Joshua (11:12.994)
Practically on the other side. Yeah.

Yeah.

Joshua (11:29.473)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (11:34.84)
From there, looked like everybody backed up. think two other officers, maybe one other officer ended up shooting. And I think that was just basically, you know, your buddy shooting, you're gonna shoot. Yeah, I think it was just sympathetic fire. You know, your buddy's doing it, so you're doing it. You know, you don't know what he sees, you don't know what you see, everybody shoots. I think there two guys that fired.

Joshua (11:46.508)
That's a reaction. Yeah. In the moment. Yep.

Casey Chadwell (12:01.449)
Obviously they're on administrative leave right now pending the investigation and you know, it's good. You know, you don't want guys out there. It's. It's going to be second guessing everything you know you need to their give their time give them time to kind of get their mind around everything but. You know, for what I've seen the the firearm had been removed. You know the firearm was probably good 8 feet away, 6 to 8 feet away when he was when he was shot the first time. You know.

Joshua (12:03.66)
Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua (12:11.318)
Yeah.

Joshua (12:15.842)
Yeah.

Joshua (12:26.934)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (12:30.079)
Sunday morning quarterbacking it. I don't think he should have been shot. I think Sunday morning quarterbacking it. If the agents who pulled the trigger that day could see all the video from all the different angles, they probably wouldn't think they needed it. They needed it.

Joshua (12:32.863)
Right, yeah.

Joshua (12:43.404)
Yeah. And I want, the sake of the audience, I kind of want to like clarify that we're not, you know, we're not anti-ice, we're not anti, you know, immigration reform and, and, know, enforcement. And, and I think that, you know, from what you had talked to me about, like your comment got, and obviously in the comments, you know, your post got a lot of blowback from that and you were mentioning some aftermath of that also. So.

Casey Chadwell (12:51.718)
no. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (13:01.783)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (13:06.897)
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I had somebody I really liked, somebody I really respect. He's an older gentleman. I say older, you know, he's a years older than me. He's probably in his early 60s, late 50s. you know, he was like, man, I can't believe you're taking up for these guys. And I'm like, you know, I'm not, I'm not taking up for this individual. I'm not taking up for the left. haven't, I haven't crossed the fence and, you know, I'm not going to have pink or purple hair tomorrow or anything like that.

Joshua (13:26.048)
Right. Right. Right.

Casey Chadwell (13:33.785)
I'm not going be wearing a dress or nothing like that to my next concealed carry class. But I'm not taking up for the individual or the political views that he had. What I was standing up for was his right to have a Probably wasn't the smartest thing he's ever done.

Joshua (13:36.202)
Right.

Joshua (13:45.506)
Right.

Joshua (13:50.519)
Right.

Joshua (13:55.116)
Right, yeah, showing up to a bit, know, especially with his, you know, seemingly, you know, ease of like, you know, willingness to engage with, with officers like that, you know, yeah, that's not a smart move at all.

Casey Chadwell (14:04.543)
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, he he broke pretty much every every rule that, know, I tell all my students in a concealed carry class. You know, I've done probably I probably had a close to thousand students in the last, you know, six, seven years. I think I started in late of twenty eighteen like December. I think was my first class. You know, it's

Casey Chadwell (14:40.269)
I don't want any of my people, any of my students, I don't want them to ever have to use a firearm and self-defense. I'd rather that training, even a concealed carry class, a little training as that is, you I got to write my own here in Kentucky. The state approved it. So I wrote my own class, the state approved it I teach my own class. So it's not the DOJ class that most people are used to. So I do get to add in a little bit more stuff and I got to take out some of boring stuff.

Joshua (15:01.293)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (15:09.933)
We don't have to watch the video. I had to watch like an hour long video that, you know, make you not want to carry a firearm just because it was so boring. You don't want to have to sit through it. But, um, you know, my, you know, concealed carry classes, that's not training. You know, that's, that's, we're giving you the bare minimum to carry a firearm, you know, in my case in the state of Kentucky. And you know, now you don't need it with constitutional carry here. You know, you still have a lot of people that do it. Um, but

Joshua (15:15.709)
Yeah.

Joshua (15:23.052)
Right, yeah.

Joshua (15:29.805)
Yeah.

Joshua (15:35.191)
Right.

Casey Chadwell (15:37.846)
If you go out state, still need to have a concealed carry permit. You know, I'm leaving for Oklahoma here in two days. I'll probably be crossing the border right about now, 48 hours, you know, to go to Oklahoma. I might have my firearm on me more than one, you know, when I go. So the difference between me going to Oklahoma and him going to the protest was he was going to the protest.

Joshua (15:40.204)
Yeah, yep.

Joshua (15:54.637)
Yeah.

Joshua (16:05.592)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (16:05.815)
You know, he broke that rule. You know, you shouldn't go anywhere with a firearm if there's a chance you may have to use it. You know, that's not why we get training. don't do training. We don't teach and we don't get taught. So we can shoot somebody. We do it as a security blanket in case we ever do, you know. So, you know, the first mistake he made was he did show up with the firearm, although he has every right to, it's not the smartest thing to do.

Joshua (16:21.068)
Right, right.

Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (16:31.095)
Right.

Casey Chadwell (16:33.939)
intervened in a lawful law enforcement mission.

Joshua (16:38.136)
Yeah. And I think, I think like to clarify your point for the audience, like, you know, I don't think that you're saying that you should never maybe go to a pro because there was the guy that went to a protest and, he, he carried and he ended up saving his life. What was that guy's name is several years ago now. Um, he had a rifle, but yeah, it was a rifle. I can't think of any.

Casey Chadwell (16:52.138)
yeah, that was well, I was gonna say his name and I can't say.

man. Yeah. And you know, I'll be honest, you he was 17 years old. He, he had no business being there with a rifle. He was 17 years old. His buddy bought him that rifle. And you know, just seen a Facebook post from him the other day and you know, he said, you know, the left said he shouldn't have been there with a gun and he agreed a hundred percent. He shouldn't have been there with a gun, but that gun saved his life. You know, in this situation, that gun

Joshua (17:00.951)
I

Joshua (17:04.566)
Right. Okay. I didn't realize that. Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua (17:12.279)
Yeah.

Joshua (17:25.066)
Right, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (17:28.801)
you know, got Mr. Pretty killed. So, yeah.

Joshua (17:30.392)
Yeah, and the mindset's different, right? And I think that's more like if you're showing up to defend yourself and you don't intend to engage with police officers, know, but you also don't want to become a victim, you know, so yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Casey Chadwell (17:36.843)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, it's going to bother me. I've got to, I got to look his name up real quick so I can, Kyle Rittenhouse. I didn't even have to, I just wrote in Kenosha and then I remembered. Yeah. So Kyle Rittenhouse, you know, it worked out good for him, but you know, at the same time, he's got to live with knowing he took somebody's life. And, know, just like these border patrol agents, it's never, you know, you never know how you're going to react.

Joshua (17:48.173)
Go for it.

Joshua (17:54.05)
Yep, Rittenhouse, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hahaha

Joshua (18:03.734)
Yeah. Yep.

Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (18:10.893)
You know, we, you know, we're humans and, and, know, I don't really think it's in our DNA to kill each other. I think we've got, of course, that on us. A lot of wars we've had, you know, since we got in the driving, you know, since Cain killed Abel, I think it's just been kind of, I think it's been kind of pushed on us that, you know, we can do it, so we should do it. Yeah. So, you know, he went, he went to the, he went to the protest arm. He shouldn't have done that.

Joshua (18:19.264)
Right. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep.

Joshua (18:28.749)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (18:40.269)
He intervened. shouldn't have done that. If you know if he touched the Border Patrol agent shouldn't have done that. You know, I think it was 11 days.

Joshua (18:41.954)
Yeah.

Joshua (18:46.198)
Right.

jumping between the, even though like the push on the lady was not, you know, maybe a little bit overboard, like you were saying, like him jumping in the middle of it was also, you know, antagonizing, you know.

Casey Chadwell (18:57.087)
Yeah. You know, I always tell my my my students that still carry classes, you know, you have a firearm as an armed civilian and the law enforcement officer as a as a firearm. You never know what each other is going through that particular day. So it's best just to teach, you know, treat each other with utmost respect. If he is that law enforcement officers having a bad day and he's not doing that, if he's breaking the law, if he's breaking your constitutional rights, then.

Joshua (19:14.262)
Yeah.

Joshua (19:17.846)
Right?

Casey Chadwell (19:25.229)
Hey, do what he says, even if it's unconstitutional. Do what he says, what she says and get an attorney. If you're in Kentucky, I know plenty of good attorneys. So, you know, we can we can hook you right up. But you know, where I live, you're all living a pretty rural area. Friends with law enforcement out here, you know, they're all pretty laid back guys, you know, they try to bring their personal life into work and and you know.

Joshua (19:28.62)
Yep. Make an issue in court if you need to. Yeah.

Joshua (19:37.866)
Yeah

Casey Chadwell (19:55.534)
That's that's hard to do sometimes. You know, I worked in the prison and sometimes it's hard to. It's hard to treat everybody with utmost respect and you know, you're a bad day at home and you know, sometimes it gets you in some trouble. But you know, I always tell people the best thing you can do is is do whatever they say and sue him later and you both walk away and you know if you win, you're going to walk away a little bit of money and you who so. You know, so he should have done that. I haven't seen one.

Joshua (20:03.287)
Yeah.

Joshua (20:12.951)
Yeah.

Joshua (20:17.26)
Yeah. Right.

Casey Chadwell (20:24.781)
case in the United States, at least recently that I know of where someone put their hand up and might've touched a border patrol agent or law enforcement officer while they were being pepper sprayed and they were charged with, you know, and even if it was assault, you know, you brush them by accident, you're bringing your hand up to block the face from the pepper spray. Never seen that lead to somebody losing their life.

Joshua (20:47.138)
Yeah.

Joshua (20:52.554)
Right, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (20:53.525)
Never seen stiffening up as a former resistant arrest as, know, I've never seen that lead to having to use deadly force. know, 11 days before this, he was involved in another interaction. You know, he kicked the tail light out of that federal vehicle. Pretty good, pretty good little kick he had on him there.

Joshua (21:02.913)
Right.

Joshua (21:08.503)
Yeah, yep.

Joshua (21:14.338)
Yeah.

Joshua (21:17.686)
And it's a good indication of where Preti's mindset was, you know, in that moment. Right.

Casey Chadwell (21:20.577)
Yeah, you know, then he spit on a Border Patrol officer, you know, that, and you know, for, for his, for his actions, it sounds like he might've gotten a couple of broken ribs. And you know, everybody on the, on one side of the aisle saying, well, that just proves that he, you know, he was a violent person, you know, spitting on somebody is violent. That's disgusting and violent. And probably do deserve a couple of broken ribs. Yeah.

Joshua (21:30.06)
Yeah.

Joshua (21:40.694)
Yeah. Yep. Sold with bodily fluids. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (21:46.84)
But you know, and then that brings me back to 11 days later. If you've ever had a broken rib or even a bruised rib, you know, it hurts to move. And there were seven guys on top of him that was trying to get him to flatten out and cuff up. I mean, I don't understand why those seven officers, six officers, whatever it was, weren't able to get him in cuffs, flatten him out, throw him in some cuffs, know, tasing, pepper spray him again if you have to, do what you got to.

Joshua (21:52.109)
Yeah.

Yeah, those intercostals are serious.

Joshua (22:01.186)
Yeah.

Joshua (22:10.178)
Right.

Joshua (22:16.215)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (22:16.397)
You know, in that situation, I'd like to think I wouldn't have pulled the trigger if I was in one of those border patrol officers shoes. But at the same time, I don't know what they were going through at that particular time, what they were seeing, what they were hearing.

Joshua (22:21.346)
Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (22:27.309)
Yeah.

Joshua (22:31.318)
Yep. And hopefully the, you know, the body cam footage will really shed some light on, know, cause that's one of the, Cause I know like when I was watching the video, like I was like, what's in his hand. It's really too blurry, you know, and those, those body cams are in really close and I would, I would assume they're decent, you know, definition on the video. I mean, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (22:36.077)
I really think, I really hope that it sheds some light on why the, why, why he was shot, but.

Casey Chadwell (22:46.901)
Yeah. Yeah.

And you know, I don't know, you know, I seen something the other day that they said that all border patrol officers are going to have body cams now. Well, I don't know if any of those border patrol agents had body cams, you know, that was involved in that. I hope, I hope some of them did at least.

Joshua (22:59.426)
Yeah.

Joshua (23:07.777)
There were, Trump just released something yesterday or today, I forget. He said that the body cam footage is coming out and he said it will shed light on it. So that's interesting. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (23:14.343)
that's good. Yeah, that's, you know, that's that's going to help, especially if there's audio on it. We can hear what was being said. You know, if if he was making threats that he was going to go for his gun, you know, it's it's still going to be hard to. There's a difference in justifying it and, know, to a federal investigator, whether it's, you know, DHS, FBI, I don't know who's going to who's doing the investigation. I haven't heard or seen it.

Joshua (23:20.096)
Yeah. Right. Right.

Joshua (23:26.006)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (23:42.382)
I doubt border patrol is going to investigate their own shooting. So it's probably going to be somebody else. You know, but it's different having to prove that you thought in that moment that your life was in, in danger or you were in danger of great bodily harm. You know, where that that's going to be pretty easy to prove for them. Cause that's

Joshua (23:46.934)
Yeah.

Joshua (23:57.974)
Yeah. Right.

Casey Chadwell (24:07.009)
You know, law enforcement, you know, they got a pretty tough job and when it comes to that, you know, it's going to be pretty lax. And I don't want to say that in a bad way. It's going to be if you really, yeah, yeah, the bit of the doubt is going to be given to the officers there. What's going to be harder for them to is or to justify is what happened, why they did it and, you know, public opinion. That's going to be a lot more difficult for them.

Joshua (24:10.166)
Yeah.

Joshua (24:17.942)
Benefit of the doubt will be given. Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua (24:33.974)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (24:36.941)
I'm still thinking he shouldn't have been shot. I like to think if I was there, I wouldn't have shot him. But I still wanna see the body cam.

Joshua (24:49.324)
Yeah, yeah. And I think like, you know, also for the people who are like, well, you know, like the people you were talking about who are on your comments and all that, you know, as much as we all want to see like illegal immigrants be sent home, you know, it really discredits our case and what ICE is doing and stuff. If we're not willing to call a spade a spade and, you know, and to try to find that justification, if it's there and if not, then say that, you know. And I think that's really what we, you know.

Casey Chadwell (24:57.323)
Yeah. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (25:06.285)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (25:10.432)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (25:16.683)
Yeah. Yeah, so I think the

Casey Chadwell (25:24.109)
everything right now is so polarized politically. You're either right or you're left or you're further right or you're further left. And at the end of the day, that's not the way we should be as Americans. We shouldn't be looking at everything from a political point of view. We need to be looking at it from a, we're all humans and what can we do? We're all Americans. What can we do to make our country better? Not what can we do to bring our country down? And you know,

Joshua (25:26.602)
Right. Yep. Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua (25:35.18)
Yeah.

Joshua (25:43.778)
Yeah.

Joshua (25:47.799)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (25:53.526)
So I really hope and I don't see it happening sadly that, but I really do hope at the end of the day, we do kind of sit back as a country and kind of look at stuff and.

get a more balanced view on what's happening and what we can do. You know, again, just to make life a little bit better because in the country, because right now it's really bad.

Joshua (26:12.226)
Yeah.

Joshua (26:17.366)
Yeah. And I think like, yeah, we were talking about like the principal aspect, you know, like to approach things with with principles. And I think like, you know, when this type of thing happens, you know, it's so easy to fall towards our, you know, our political alignments and our polarizations. We don't want ICE to have committed something that shouldn't have been done, of course. And, you know, and so it's easy to go to the defensive. But it's also easy to to have to backpedal if that's not the case, you know. And so it's yeah.

Casey Chadwell (26:23.853)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (26:34.209)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (26:37.622)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (26:45.355)
there.

Joshua (26:46.922)
So I think finding that and having an open, honest conversation and not leading into discrediting ICE and immigration enforcement and things like that is really kind of the reason I had you on the podcast is because was like, Casey's view is pretty balanced and I wanted to...

Casey Chadwell (27:04.107)
Yeah, you know, I try and do everything from a balanced view, whether it's, you know, something like this with some, you know, sadly, where, you know, somebody lost their life or, you know, even if it's something as small as, you know, something, you know, a small thing here in Kentucky, you know, that's being voted on, you know, I try and look at everything from a balanced view and that gets me, you know, a lot of arguments sometimes, but.

As long as that's as far as it goes as an argument, we can break bread later and talk about it. You know, it's great. But go ahead. Yeah, so there was there was a few things, like I said, you know, the big thing, you know, like I said, I'm I'm I'm taking up for the Second Amendment. You know, it's pretty important when you know, that's that's pretty important. You're not going to get far with free speech unless.

Joshua (27:30.936)
Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Oh no, go ahead.

Joshua (27:48.514)
Great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

You have, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (27:55.438)
You know, you have the means to back up or to protect yourself, really. You know, we've seen it time and time again. Free speech is only free if you can protect yourself. you know, the second amendment, in my opinion, it's one of the most important amendments. It's definitely, definitely up there. It's number two for a reason. And I think the founding fathers kind of realized that, you know, this was going to be crucial to a free state. So,

Joshua (28:00.29)
Yeah.

Joshua (28:05.719)
Yeah.

Joshua (28:16.256)
Right. Yeah.

Joshua (28:21.144)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (28:24.397)
You know, Trump had said that, you know, only criminals to carry two loaded mags and, uh, you know, a loaded firearm. And, and, and, know, so I tell all my people, you know, firearms today, um, you know, if you buy a decent quality made firearm, know, uh, Ruger, Glock, Smith and Wesson, whatever. HK, if I don't say HK, I'm gonna lose a lot of, I'm gonna lose a lot of friends. So HK, um, so if you carry, if you carry,

Joshua (28:30.786)
We know that's not the case.

Joshua (28:48.856)
Yep.

Casey Chadwell (28:54.349)
a modern firearm, as long as you take care of that firearm, it's not a lemon for whatever reason, as long as you carry that firearm, the chance of it having a malfunction caused by something in the firearm is gonna be pretty low. We're blessed to live in an hour and hour firearm design has come such a long way really. you have a malfunction, excuse me, if you have a malfunction today,

Joshua (29:16.258)
Yeah. Yep.

Casey Chadwell (29:25.281)
chances are that's gonna come from the magazine. So, you know, if you see me out and about, chances are I have a loaded pistol on me and I have a spare magazine. So, you know, the quickest way to clear a malfunction is get rid of that magazine. You got one hand you're working with, your spare mag, you know, is still in the pocket or on your hip, wherever you carry your spare mag. The mag that was in the gun, it's now on the ground. You have a hand to hold the firearm, and you have a hand to clear the malfunctions.

Joshua (29:28.013)
Yeah.

Joshua (29:50.669)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (29:55.224)
You're not trying to hold onto that mag. So you can clear your malfunctions, rack and slide a couple of times, get your new mag out, put it back in, put it in the firearm rack and slide and you can get back in, get back in the fight. So, you know, carrying two mags again, that's just, that's just a security blanket. That's, you know, we don't, you know, I try and tell people I don't need 40 rounds to stop a threat. I hope I never need 40 rounds. You know, if I'm ever, if I'm ever in a, in in a situation where I need to use my firearm, that's

Joshua (29:55.287)
Right.

Joshua (30:05.314)
Right.

Joshua (30:09.697)
Yeah.

Joshua (30:16.298)
Right. That's a pretty bad situation. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (30:24.525)
I don't want to to need 40 rounds for that. So the reason...

Joshua (30:27.245)
Right.

And on my end, if I can't learn the like I carry multiple mags because I'm in Massachusetts. We have a 10 round mag capacity. And so, you know, it's, it's considerable, you know, disadvantage, I guess you could say.

Casey Chadwell (30:37.089)
Yeah, man. Yeah.

Yeah, you gotta you gotta get moved back to God's country, man. It's Massachusetts ain't no fun. So yeah, you know you don't carry a mag because you're gonna need 40 rounds. know you carry a mag because it's a security blanket. If you do have a malfunction, you know, get rid of that mag, you know, get it out of the gun, leave it there on the ground and then then you know go on and put your fresh mag in and then you know high stress situations. We see law enforcement officers. You know they they drop their mags in the middle of gunfights all the time. You know they have.

Joshua (30:52.502)
Right. Yeah.

Joshua (31:09.622)
Yeah, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (31:12.173)
I don't think law enforcement officers have enough training with fire arms. Usually law enforcement, 50 to 150, 200 rounds a year is all they're required to shoot. And there's a lot of law enforcement officers that just aren't gun guys. It's just another tool for the job. And then there are a lot of law.

Joshua (31:14.924)
Yeah, we were talking about a little bit of that on the phone too. Yeah.

Joshua (31:24.737)
Yeah.

Joshua (31:29.037)
Yeah.

Yeah. Well, and then we were also talking about the close quarters combat type of situation. That's usually quite under trained. Why does it take seven guys to flatten a guy?

Casey Chadwell (31:42.402)
Yeah, yeah. And yeah, you know, we, worked, I worked at a psychiatric center and you know, we were pretty well staffed compared to the rest of the prison. And you know, we would have sometimes three guys, one in the control, one of the control room and then one, you know, on one side and one on the other. And you know, you got 24 guys and, you know, things can get hairy pretty quick. So you had to be able to, you had to be able to defend yourself with your hands and

Joshua (31:50.327)
Yeah.

Joshua (32:05.634)
Yeah.

Joshua (32:10.838)
Right.

Casey Chadwell (32:12.461)
You know, because it was a psychiatric center in a in a prison we had, you know, we had to kind of take everything with kid gloves. We couldn't do what what Department of Corrections next door in Luther Luckett were able to do. But the guys over in Luther Luckett, you know, there was one of them for 200 inmates where it was two of us to 24. You know, I was at full capacity at that time. So, um, you know, there's I think, you know,

Joshua (32:24.066)
Right.

Joshua (32:30.144)
Yeah.

Joshua (32:34.05)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (32:42.105)
Hanover, Indiana, last I heard they had hired a, childhood friend of mine. haven't talked to him a long time. still friends with him on Facebook. And, last I seen he was, he got hired into Hanover, Indiana police department. and he was their judiciary trainer. You know, that's what he does. And, you know, I think that every department needs, you know, every officer needs to learn some empty handed skills because

Joshua (32:57.037)
Yeah.

Joshua (33:05.302)
Yeah, getting control of a, you know, out of control perpetrator is really important. Without using a firearm. Right. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (33:10.485)
It's, mean, that's, you know, that firearm, that firearm should be the last thing you even think about. And really, you know, pepper spray and a taser, mean, you know, I know a lot of law enforcement officers and they'd be fine with not having a, you know, with only using open hands, you know, for the vast majority of the situations they're caught in. But, you know, there's a,

Joshua (33:36.482)
Right.

Casey Chadwell (33:40.014)
I just think that law enforcement, hey, they need more training. And I hope that some funds start to become available where they do that. I know a friend of mine over in Spencer County, he's working on some things. Hopefully get some grants in and I hope so. Great sheriff's department over there. He's a great sheriff. But, know, yeah, you know, this was a bad situation all around. You know, what's happening in Minneapolis is a bad situation, period. You know, I mean,

Joshua (33:42.988)
Yeah.

Joshua (33:47.085)
Yeah.

Joshua (33:53.975)
Yeah.

Joshua (34:03.447)
Yeah.

Joshua (34:08.076)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (34:09.453)
even I think that I'm trying to watch my words because I don't want to get sued or or get a nasty you know letter from an attorney here but you know I think that a lot of what we're seeing in in Minneapolis right now is uh because there's a lot of fraud and it's a lot easier to say hey yeah they're definitely defensive and I think a lot of the politicians there both local and federal politicians are kind of

Joshua (34:21.376)
Right?

Joshua (34:33.012)
Yeah, they're on the defensive for sure. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (34:41.953)
saying, hey, we need to pay more attention to what's over here than what's over here. And you know, what's over here is some people that needs to be, you know, taken out of the country. And that's what they're focusing all their efforts on instead of the, you know, I think it's $19 billion in fraud right now, which is pretty terrible. But...

Joshua (34:46.274)
Yeah.

Joshua (34:52.171)
Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (34:58.326)
Right? Yeah. Yeah, which is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So some more Trump put out. He's like, they came over here with nothing and somehow they stole 19 billion dollars. It's like,

Casey Chadwell (35:07.021)
Yeah, yeah, now they're now they're living better than I am. And I've been, you know, I get two companies and two jobs. So, you know, I'm I'm constantly doing something or living better than me, which, know, hey, that's the American dream as long as do it lawfully. And I don't know if it doesn't sound like a lot of them doing that lawfully right now. So, you know, and, you know, I do think that's that's a small portion of the people that comes over here, especially legally, you know.

Joshua (35:10.005)
Right, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

Joshua (35:18.912)
Yeah. Lawfully that's that's the stipulation right there. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Joshua (35:34.357)
Of course, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (35:37.678)
So, you know, I think that Governor Walz is just too much to blame with Mr. Prettys death as Mr. Prettys and Border Patrol. He's incited a lot. You know, I try not to watch the news. I try not to get on Facebook very much just because it's too stressful. It's depressing to see the state of the country. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's...

Joshua (35:43.117)
Yeah.

Joshua (35:48.108)
Yeah, they've incited a lot of this, you know, protesting and

Joshua (35:57.73)
Yeah. It's a rabbit hole. find it to be a time suck if I'm on comments too much.

Casey Chadwell (36:07.501)
Yeah, it's depressing. I don't like to be depressed. So I try to stay off there as much as possible. know, our country's, there's spots in our country, it's really gone to the wayside there. So, but yeah, you you can't incite violence and then be appalled when violence happens. So, but you know, at the same time, like I said, I still think that Mr. Pratt should be alive today. I think he should definitely be in jail.

Joshua (36:12.152)
Hahaha

Joshua (36:18.956)
Yeah.

Joshua (36:26.742)
Yeah, yep.

Joshua (36:34.604)
Yeah, yep.

Casey Chadwell (36:35.149)
But I do think, know, Sonny Morton quarterback or Sonny Morton quarterback in this thing or money more quarterbacking it. I am. I do believe that he he shouldn't have been shot unless there's a video out there I haven't seen whether whether it's a body cam or another another angle somewhere. So. Yeah, that's that's pretty. It's it's a tragic situation regardless, you know, so.

Joshua (36:48.493)
Yeah.

Joshua (36:52.28)
Yeah.

Joshua (37:02.114)
Yeah, yep.

So I really appreciate you coming on the show and just getting a, know, cause we hear a lot of like, you know, a lot of the left and a lot of like, you know, obviously a natural inclination to rise up and defend ice. But you know, hearing that balanced perspective is, is, know, also important so we can, you know, keep in mind that, you know, that there's a guy who, you know, had seven dudes on him and he's still like, you know, kicking back, but then they, still shoot him. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And.

Casey Chadwell (37:19.34)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (37:24.4)
yeah. Well...

Casey Chadwell (37:29.985)
Yeah. Yeah, they still shooting with a broken broken ribs. Yeah, it's And like I said, I support 100 % what I used to do. And I think that Borgman Crowe and I should have been in there a long time ago. And and I honestly I think I think it could be hit a lot harder. You know, there's there's millions and millions and of illegal aliens here. We don't know. You know, we don't know what their intentions are. If it's just come over here for a better life or if they're come over here to hurt Americans and you know, we don't we have enough.

Joshua (37:38.263)
Right, yep.

Yeah.

Joshua (37:54.922)
Right. Yeah, we had an open border for years. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (37:58.926)
Yeah, we had an open border for four years. So, and it was wide open. you know, there's Ms. Sarah Adams, you know, she does a lot on YouTube. You know, she's talked about, you know, there's thousands of Islamic terrorists that cross the border illegally with weapons. You know, so I think that all these people, you know, if you come here illegally, that's against the law. You should face the consequences for your

Joshua (38:03.959)
Yeah.

Joshua (38:16.024)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (38:27.085)
for your actions, know, if I'm out speeding, I'm gonna get a ticket. You know, if I go get in a fight, I'm gonna get put in jail for assault. Or if I'm crossing to Canada illegally, I'm gonna get deported back to the United States. So.

Joshua (38:32.471)
Yeah.

Joshua (38:36.108)
Yeah.

Joshua (38:41.014)
Yeah, and because we know that there are people who want to come here to, you know, to drag America down, you know, I think people that come over here illegally and are caught here, they should be deported and not be allowed back, you know, like ever. Yeah, because it's not worth it for us to financially dig into why were they here, and that's an investigation. Now we're spending money on trying to figure out why they even came here and whether or not they can come back. I think it's just being automatic, you know, the

Casey Chadwell (38:48.278)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (38:53.589)
Yeah, immediately. Yeah, definitely.

Joshua (39:07.18)
The chance for you to come here is done. And then that detracts people from even trying, you know.

Casey Chadwell (39:07.217)
yeah, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you know, there's, there's asylum seekers, seekers out there and you know, they should be allowed in the country. You know, if, if, if we deem it after an investigation that, know, they have a legitimate, right to claim asylum, but you know, a of people are claiming asylum and there's no reason to, you know, it's

Joshua (39:16.396)
Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (39:27.212)
Yeah, yeah. And we don't want to end up like Europe, you know, and I mean, don't need to tell, I don't need to tell any conservative that.

Casey Chadwell (39:30.701)
We do not want end up like Europe. No, we, yeah, we, we, severed that a long time ago in 1776. We don't need to, we don't, we don't want to end up like Europe. We don't want to end up like Europe then. We don't want to do it now. Yeah, especially now, you know, I, wouldn't want to go right now.

Joshua (39:38.53)
Yeah. Right. Especially now.

Yeah, no, I know. I've been thinking that. like, you know, I've been in Madrid and that's the only, that was years ago. And like, you know, I, like, I don't want to go to Europe. Like it used to be attractive and like, I don't want to go there now. You know, it's yeah.

Casey Chadwell (39:59.374)
Yeah, all the, you know, all the scammers, all the, you know, immigrants there, you know, lot of them are scammers now and they'll and you know, pickpockets and a lot of crime and graffiti and, and, you know, no-go zones. We don't want no-go zones in our country. You know, I should be able to go into any town I want to and not have to worry about.

Joshua (40:06.444)
Yeah.

Yep. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (40:23.757)
getting attacked because I don't agree or, you know, I don't, I don't agree with their views on religion or politics or whatever. And, know, since 2016, especially during the riots, the summer of love, you know, had in 2020, you know, there's been, there's been areas in Portland, you know, that law enforcement are letting go in. That's insane. Yeah.

Joshua (40:25.303)
Right.

Joshua (40:40.723)
Yeah.

Joshua (40:47.382)
Yeah. That is crazy. Yeah. Yep. And then for, Minnesota to even, you know, push away, you know, ice for as long as they did, I guess Waltz is now, you know, probably out of self preservation is now like, you know, saying that he's going to work with.

Casey Chadwell (41:02.027)
Yeah, we'll see. know, I don't trust Walt. As far as can throw him, you know, he's just trying to save his own skin. You know, I'm sure he's got some kickbacks out of that $19 billion or $9 billion, whatever it is. You know, so he's trying to save his own skin, whatever he can do to stay out of jail, which, you know, can't blame the guy for that. But you don't have to ruin our country because you don't want to spend two years in jail for stealing my tax dollars.

Joshua (41:05.579)
Right, yeah.

Right, yep.

Joshua (41:13.26)
Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (41:19.062)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Joshua (41:25.686)
Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (41:30.072)
Yeah, I saw somewhere he said he's not going to run for any public office again. I'm like, good. Yeah. Yeah. Yup. Uh, well, uh, Casey, uh, again, thanks for coming on and can you tell us more about concealed tactics?

Casey Chadwell (41:35.979)
Yeah, that's definitely a good thing. We don't need tampon Tams out there really to catch it.

Casey Chadwell (41:46.498)
Yeah.

Yeah, so started 2018 really. It was just a. Duke's Hill carry classes at the gun shop I was working with. I was working at at the time. Aaron Reed on that gun shop. He's now a state senator here in Kentucky. Great guy Navy SEAL veteran. Done a lot of stuff. Got a lot of kids. You know great, great dad, great businessman and you know right now he's.

Joshua (42:05.004)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (42:17.933)
being a pretty decent politician. And I don't say that about very many politicians. So he's doing a pretty good job with the politician, which we need more of. need more people that'll do a pretty good job. You don't have to be excellent. You just need to do a pretty good job. And so far, he's done a really good job. So just doing concealed carry classes there at the gun shop. It was off supply at the time. It's now OEM Arms. He sold it to the guy that ran it, which is another friend of mine.

Joshua (42:19.938)
Yeah. That's high bar. Yeah. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (42:47.533)
Truman. So Aaron at the time, he owned Ops Supply and Ops United and Kodiak Coating. He does Cerakote on guns and stuff and a little bit of gunsmithing here and there. Chances are if you've ever gotten a Glock from Lipsy's that was Cerakoted, he Cerakoted it or some of his employees, maybe me. I worked there for a while, Cerakoting some Glocks and some AR-15s, some Benelli shotguns and things.

Joshua (42:57.761)
Okay.

Joshua (43:07.819)
Okay.

Joshua (43:15.757)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (43:17.557)
So just have to plug my people. Yeah, so he had option odd, which was a training company and he was training people. I built him a shoot house. That's actually how we met. I heard he needed a shoot house. I went over and offered to do it and then I was kind of like a dog. He fed me and I didn't leave. you know, I've been there in and out of there, you know, ever since.

Joshua (43:31.085)
Yeah.

Joshua (43:34.893)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (43:46.606)
But yeah, so he trained people, you know, what he knew as an AV seal. He done a lot with me, taught me a whole bunch. And then I'm just trying to pass, you know, that on and trying to learn as much as I can and pass that on. So we do, still carry classes, obviously. Then we do defensive pistol. Like I said, scoped carbine and red dot carbine. I got a real good friend of mine. He's got

Joshua (43:59.874)
Yeah.

Joshua (44:07.053)
Yeah.

Joshua (44:11.062)
Okay. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (44:15.597)
500 acre range or a 500 yard range, about 150 acres. He's got a big pistol. He's got a pistol pit and you know, he's probably got $10,000 for the steel. And then I bought a bunch of rifle steel to put out there. So, you know, I bring in guys that can definitely shoot better than me to kind of show you what I can't. And, you know, we do it cheap. The reason we do it cheap is if I was trying to get rich, I wouldn't do that.

Joshua (44:17.078)
Okay. Okay.

Joshua (44:22.988)
Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua (44:37.431)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (44:45.101)
be a politician. you know, yeah, I'd be a politician in Minnesota. So yeah, you know, we, we do a lot of right work. We want to do more rifle, but again, you know, it's hard to get people to do rifle. You know, they'd rather learn with their, with their pistol. If you're only going to take one class, I'd rather, I'd rather be a defensive pistol class. But yeah, we do shoot out to 500 yards, scoped rifle. We usually shoot out to about 150 to 200.

Joshua (44:46.104)
In Minnesota.

Joshua (44:59.798)
Yeah. Right.

Joshua (45:05.377)
Right. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (45:15.341)
With red dot, you know, we bring that all the way into, you know, seven, you know, 15, 30 yards. Pistol, you know, we do a lot of, you know, it's gonna be a lot of shooting move, clearing my functions, doing reloads, you know, I'm gonna put you on a buzzer, put you on a timer as much as possible. You know, I want you be able to do it quick and safely. So, you know, we start slow and go as fast as we can there towards the end. And then, you know, always try and give out a little prize, a couple of boxes of ammo or something for, you know, whoever.

Joshua (45:32.653)
Yeah.

Joshua (45:38.091)
Okay.

Casey Chadwell (45:44.014)
Had the best time in the class or whatever. We always try and have a fun little competition there at the end of class on the defensive pistol, rifles, stuff. We try and do something. So give them something. Like I said, we don't charge a lot. Just get out there, a good time.

Joshua (45:45.837)
Yeah.

Joshua (45:52.888)
Yeah.

Joshua (45:57.655)
Okay.

Joshua (46:01.162)
Yeah. And you mentioned that you're also working with officers. What in terms of, you know, police stations and things like that, like what's that look like?

Casey Chadwell (46:06.957)
Yeah. So, you know, the, had a shooting here, uh, sadly in Louisville several years ago. I'm trying to think when it was, it was probably 2019, 2020, 2021 somewhere in there. Uh, uh, scum of the earth walked into a Kroger shot, a lady in the head shot a gentleman in the head with his, uh, um, he was with his grandson. was just because of color of their skin. The reason he done it. Um, he walked out.

Joshua (46:21.623)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (46:36.461)
got into a shootout with an armed civilian in the parking lot. They both missed a whole bunch. Everybody missed. Luckily they missed innocent bystanders too. But the team that was called to go take care of him at that time was the J-Town Special Operations Group, which is kind of like a... Sorry.

Joshua (46:42.486)
Yeah.

Joshua (46:46.486)
Right. Yeah.

Joshua (47:04.76)
Not a rub.

Casey Chadwell (47:07.725)
Kind of like a small, kind of like a small SWAT unit. They're in St. Matthews and J-Town area. know, Aaron trained them once a month, I think it was, in the shoot house. Their mayor actually got rid of them. The new mayor got elected. He kind of disbanded the SOG unit. Dumb move, because, you know, they had one of the only female snipers in the state of Kentucky.

Joshua (47:11.863)
Okay.

Yeah.

Joshua (47:22.957)
Yeah.

Joshua (47:31.415)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (47:37.678)
awesome, awesome, awesome lady matter. They had some real, some real good guys that didn't want to use your weapons, but by God, if they had to, they were, they I'd want to come say me, you know, on a bad day, you know? So, you know, we've done that, got some, working with a couple of sheriff's departments here in Kentucky, trying to get some classes written up for them. One of them, hopefully he's going to be moving to red dots. I'm a big proponent of putting red dots on your handguns.

Joshua (47:37.794)
Yeah.

Joshua (47:47.584)
Right, they knew how to do it. Yep. Right. Yeah, yeah.

Joshua (47:58.466)
Okay.

Yeah.

Joshua (48:06.967)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (48:07.341)
So I'm going to train them to use your red dots. You know, it's a little bit different. we're going to hopefully get them trained up to use your red dots. And then hopefully I'm not, I'm not going to charge law enforcement anything. You know, those are the guys that are going to guys and gals. It's going to be called out. You know, if something ever happens, I want those guys and gals to be trained up as best as possible. And I hope, you know, I hope that they get trained by somebody. It don't have to be me.

Joshua (48:11.895)
Yeah.

Joshua (48:31.533)
Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (48:36.973)
You know, there's a lot of really great instructors in our area. know, just you go across the bridge into Indiana. You know, there's there's a dev group guy over there that does stuff and, you know, army special forces guys that do things, you know, just right here. So, you know, within a couple miles of Louisville, you go up into like Edinburgh, Indiana. There's a Navy SEAL that does some training up there. Well, there's a lot of really good instructors in our area. And I tell everybody don't.

Joshua (48:39.702)
Yeah, yep.

Joshua (48:51.746)
Yeah.

Joshua (49:01.717)
Okay.

Casey Chadwell (49:06.187)
If you don't want come to me, don't come to me. You're not going to my feelings one bit. know, yeah, just get trained because more people out there that are trained and are responsibly and lawfully carrying a firearm, that makes me safer when I can't carry a firearm for work or, you know, if my wife or kids or, you know, my buddy, you know, anybody, it makes everybody a little bit safer, you know, an arm spot.

Joshua (49:07.884)
Yep. But get trained. Yeah. Yeah.

Joshua (49:18.167)
Yeah.

Joshua (49:25.954)
Yeah.

Joshua (49:34.945)
Yeah, yeah.

Casey Chadwell (49:35.637)
North society is a is a polite society. There we go. Yeah.

Joshua (49:38.23)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's that story about Abe Lincoln, that he had insulted somebody had to do like a duel or something and ended up, you know, backing out of it. Like, and not that we should necessarily go back to doing duels. That's not my point, but, like, you know, it would be a lot less offended people. Yeah. Yeah.

Casey Chadwell (49:53.549)
There'd be a lot less offended people. There's no internet beams that would go. There'd be a lot less offended people if we brought duals in the next. So even if we brought back this, I think it's Oregon or maybe Washington state, they have a mutual combat law. So if you both agree to it, you can fight. Yeah. Well, you know, that would be okay. If you want to bring that back, you know, like Mr. Pready, if he, he spit on somebody, I think that, that, uh,

Joshua (50:13.161)
Really? OK, I didn't know that. Yeah.

Joshua (50:23.13)
One of the officers wanted to take it up on him.

Casey Chadwell (50:23.341)
I on I'm gonna tune you out. I'm gonna try to anyway. You might get me. I'm older now. I'm not as fast or as tough as I used to be, but I'm gonna try hard. Facebook, usually the best way, I still connect to you on Facebook. Yep. Hey, no problem, Yep.

Joshua (50:29.621)
Right?

Joshua (50:40.547)
So, uh, can people reach out to you, Facebook. Okay. Concealed tactics. All right. Sounds good. All right. Well, again, I appreciate you coming on and a good check. All right. Take care now. All right.

Casey Chadwell (50:52.653)
Hey, we'll see you,